It is caused by the bullet aligning itself to the relative wind vector. To me its in the Goldilocks zone. The three sometimes neglected variables are the human factor, the weather factor, and the fact that you are shooting at a wild animal, not a stationary target. While the 7mm 168 grain VLD would only need 3100 fps at the muzzle to match that 2000 fps velocity at 1000 yards. Download Shoot! The flattest-shooting popular rifle cartridge at 1,000 yards is the 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum, followed by the .26 Nosler, the .28 Nosler, the .22 Creedmoor, and the 6.5 Weatherby RPM. Privacy We analyzed 6 different loads for each cartridge (the proper way to read that sentence is Jim sat at a computer for WEEKS putting data into very complicated Excel sheets) to come out with an average of what several common loads for each cartridge will accomplish. Did you perhaps mean 50 cm? The 6.5 Creedmoor has long been known to cause damage to the International Space Station with errant shots. If you check Hornadys load data it shows N560 for every bullet except the 190. Or, you can of course use a custom action like a Terminus, Defiance, etc. If you cant your rifle the same every time, you won't have a problem, but if you change your cant by tipping your scope just five degrees to the right, your point of impact in the standard system would be 16 inches right! There are 100s of different 7mm Rem Mag factory ammunition loads and bullets to choose from in Shoot! Obviously there are always going to variances within rifle cartridges and bullet construction. [emailprotected]. In our next article we will look at how to calculate and compensate for long range shooting, and the equipment and programs that will do it. "Gun control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound." 61.6 grains H4831sc with 195 berger gives 2975fps. But gravity drop is only the first of many effects that we need to compensate for, in order to shoot precisely at long range. However, the 7mm PRC shot on average 105 fps faster. Seriously, before anybody argues with me, watch the video and get out your calculators and figure it out for yourself. The aim ballistically for Hornady with the 7mm PRC, is for a cartridge that will fire a 180gr 7mm bullet at around 2950 to 3000fps. This is using CCI Large Magnum primers, and shooting out of a 24 test barrel. Please keep the good stuff coming. ( I know you prefer shorter barrels especially for hunting). Cartridge Type: RifleHeight: 2.5"Width: 0.532"Average FPS: 3024Average Energy: 3106Average Gr: 153Recoil: 2.06Power Rank: 4.63 of 20. Sample Trajectory showing the bullet path crossing the line of sight.Because gravity causes the bullet to drop, the longer a bullet takes to reach its target, the more time gravity will have to pull it towards the earth. I was about to embark on a 7 Saum build in a long action to use the longer, higher BC bullets. And shoot 168 Barnes tipped triple shock bullets along with Berger VLD at same weight and load. How do you think it will shoot the Barnes 168 gn LRX in case this new lead ammo ban goes through? Looking at a fierce CT rival with 20 in 7 PRC. If your max is 400-yards and the deer is moving, perhaps stick to 200-yards. But I have heard it can be a 1K gun. Important Note: This is anecdotal testing. I converted a Weatherby 6.5 PRC Meateater to the 7 PRC. The 7mm PRC is similar to a 7mm Rem Mag, but it can shoot heavier bullets with higher BCs, has no belt which causes problems for reloaders, and slightly less case capacity so longer barrels are not necessary. Most rangefinders can have errors of at lease two percent at 1000 yards, even if you do everything else correctlykeep in mind that it is very easy to range an object just behind or in front of your target. The best of us always leave too soon. This is again shooting the 175gr ELD-X bullet out of 24 test barrel with a large magnum CCI primer. You can get a new barrel for your Ruger American, Tikka, Bergara, Savage, etc. Thats when little things cause failures. Flat nosed pistol bullet on the left, .308 Cal 168 grain Barnes TSX center, VLD shaped 7mm 168 grain far right.But it doesn't take a huge difference in bullet shape to have a big effect when we are comparing velocities over 1000 yards. Loaded with IMR 4830 @ 70 gr. I ABSOLUTELY would use 7mm PRC on elk. Seems like they are trying to reinvent the wheel given that the 7mm STW (strangely missing from this article for comparisons) does everything the 7mm PRC does and more for over 40 years: 180gr in the 3000-3200fps range. So, the crosswind velocity and the bullet's time of flight will determine how much it is deflected in the wind. A good marksman will not squeeze the trigger unless he believes it will work. *Casing image above is an artist rendering and not a real photo of 7mm Remington Magnum Ballistics cartridge. You might be able to measure with a data meter the speed and direction at your location, but the wind is very likely doing something entirely different at mid-range, or at the target. 7 PRC would be a nice step down in recoil from a 300 win mag as long as you choose a lighter bullet. What we have here is failure- to communicate. Unfortunately, as hunters we have other limitations that force us to settle for equipment with lower BC values and muzzle velocities. Im a big fan of the 7mm. At 1000 yards the rotation of the earth is basically moving your target down 2.6 inches per second if you are pointing east, and up if you are pointing west. Starline Brass has plans to produce these cases in the future. It really looks like this might be the do all cartridge Ive been waiting for. This difference in bullet shape can be quantified, and the comparison simplified to one numberthe Ballistic Coefficient, or BC. (They are the only company that has any 7PRC brass that I know of. Thread starter redneck watchdog; Start date Dec 8, 2011; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member. F-Class 32 barrel. Ive done a significant amount of handloading and reloading for the 7 PRC over the last few months. 61.6 grains H4831sc. N560 offers some of the best velocities without a compressed load. But these eyes have seen better days (literally). (888) 223-3006
Input your hunting conditions to see the drop, drift, bullet trajectory, velocity, and energy in easy-to-read ballistics charts and graphs. The ballistic data below was calculated with a Hornady 180gr ELD-Match 7mm bullet fired at . Learn to listen to your gut and understand your abilities. I contacted you about my 6.5 Fierce CT Rival that was having extraction and barrel pressure problems like you were. grazie, Hi Jim, I hunt in the Alps area in Italy, I walk a lot and would like a light weapon. This difference in bullet shape can be quantified, and the comparison simplified to one numberthe Ballistic Coefficient, or BC. I used CCI large magnum rifle primers, and lovingly caressed each bullet before sending it on the ride of its life. Ok went out with new 7 PRC rifle. 2023 Backfire LLC, a limited liability company headquartered in Utah, USA. Though it is designed to headspace off the belt of brass, handloaders can improve concentricity by using the shoulder for headspacing. Here is my info: 3040 FPS, 160 accubond at .531 b/c, 50 degrees and 5000ft. I had them make me a short 20 carbon fiber-wrapped barrel chambered in 7 PRC. Guessing and sighter shots have no place in todays hunting ethic. Personally my mind goes towards hot rodding medium-to-heavy-for-caliber monos in the 150-175 grain range at 3200 -> 3000+ for long range expansion on game. Think of it as a modernized 7mm Rem Mag. This package can be added onto any rifle bought through Evovled Ballistics. L. Neil Smith, at a 200 yard zero with a Hornady SST 162 gr your looking at 34.8" drop @ 500 beyond that it really really falls off quickly after that range . They should also understand their own limitations. Regardless keep the videos coming for a 6 inch vital zone (typical of a whitetail deer). Youtube is full of those videos. The heavy-for-caliber VLD bullet's are the only readily available high BC bullet's that have been documented to ethically perform at long ranges on game animals, and the BC range on those bullet's ranges from 0.550 to 0.685. I believe that should be a max load but still safe in my rifle, efficient loading, and impressive speed. Then our errors are within the accuracy potential of our hunting rounds. Unlike a load data book from one of the ammunition companies, I am not measuring pressure with a computer. The maximum effective range of the 6.5 PRC for hunting is approximately 730 yards, at which distance many bullets will slow below 1,900 fps which can cause a bullet to fail to expand. The second, and in my opinion, the most difficult to compensate for is wind deflection. Ballistic Profile Specifications: Scope height, velocity, twist rate, and all ballistic data to include bullet Ballistic Coefficient (BC), powder charge, Base to Ogive, and Cartridge Overall Length will be provided with the package. Steve, Jim, Im in the middle of building a 7PRC. But, you dont want to get too close to that minimum expansion velocity. I quickly saw that the 4 fewer grains of case capacity in the 7 PRC made these powders not ideal. The Precision Rifle Cartridge line is now broad enough that for many hunting uses, shooters will have a tough time deciding between the 6.5 PRC, 7 PRC, and 300 PRC. Tell them I sent you. These cartridges all drop less than 255 at 1,000 yards. If you do not have a Shooting Chronograph, I strongly suggest you purchase one. Ive been playing around with Berger 190g Long Range Hybrid Targets. It just takes experience, and a willingness to shoot often and learn something every time you pull the trigger.The more you shoot and practice, the more you will realize how difficult precision shooting at longer ranges can become. Please use a 300 yard zero and give me 100 yard clicks out to 1000 yards. I always run a suppressor would like to see 20 with suppressor vs 24 with break. Please let me know how it can be improved upon. Youre also not going to shoot as well on a moving animal. Im looking for a new elk rifle and am very excited about this new caliber. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); 7mm Remington Magnum ~ 150 Grain ~ Trajectory Chart. Also, remember that the data in the table above is using averages of multiple loads per cartridge. Once break in has been achieved we clean the rifle and begin load development. I have the 6.5 PRC and 300 PRC, and Im sure a 7mm PRC will be in my future. Every hunter needs to read this and understand the real limitations of their ammunition. Policy. John B. Given Hornadys target load of 180gr at 2,950fps, this is likely a max load. Great cartridge. Maybe you could do a future video on it? Something like a 145gr Barnes LRX would be a great choice. Freedom is not free. Looking at your H4831sc chart Im a little faster at 62.7grs than what you had at 63grs. Id love to see what data you get so I can include more data in this post. Your information will never be shared and you can unsubscribe with one click at anytime. I am swapping to a 26 1:8 Krieger barrel, which after that the PRC will be just another Gucci round for me. The 7mm PRC was approved by SAAMI on June 7, 2022 and the public introduction was released on June 16, 2022. Ive got it sending the 162 grain ELD-X 3200 FPS. I thought for certain it would have more powder capacity than a 7 Mag so Hornady could advertise the new cartridge beating the old standard. 7mm Rem. Examine the velocity graph generated by Shoot! Whidden Gunworks doesnt show 7mm PRC offering on their website. bearcat2; Nov . Im just looking at the brass for symptoms of being over-pressure, but sometimes those symptoms dont show up until a cartridge is significantly overpressure as could be measured by a computer. Due to the extremely tight tolerances of these cartridges, Ive seen MANY manufacturers struggle with delivering barrels that spike pressures or have brass that doesnt fit right. I plan to run it suppressed after barrel break-in. It has a length of 2.035 inches, 2.80 inches overall, with a 1:9.5 twist and a large rifle primer. Eliminating the effect of wind by using high BC's and proper compensation techniques is the only solution. For instance 180 grain bullet out of a .30-06 will have a range of numbers even if the MV is the same, as you can have bullets like VLD, spitzer/hollow point boat tail, flat base, and round nose bullets all found in factory loads. But what are the flattest shooting rifle cartridges? I am using this data for Scope choice. Sight in and validated out to 1000 yards: The rifle is sited in and shot out at distance to ensure functionality of the turret and verification of all associated data. As long as its a standard long-action, you should be just fine putting a 7 PRC barrel on it. lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec. At 500 yards the 7mm's ballistic advantage begins to matter with nearly 10 inches less drop than the .270, 6 inches less than the .300. Heres a link to it. My scope has seen better days but my Weatherby Accumark is like new and I really like it. Backfires Youtube channel was the first publication to break the story of the cartridges SAAMI approval, and Backfire was also the first group to build a 7mm PRC and show it to the public. On game heavier than 320kg, the 7mm RM is capable of producing adequate penetration but not wide wounding relative to body weights. Backfire LLC owns and operates this website. My $0.02, 6.5 creedmore, 7.82 warbird, 338 luapa, 7mm ultra mag comes to mind. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Unfortunately, the chronograph (Labradar) glitched out and didnt record all the velocities, but I did at least shoot the following two that were recorded. It has more case capacity than the short, and is very similar to thr max. By adding trajectories to the panel on the right you may produce charts and graphs that show the different trajectories side by side. Sorry man, wasn't going after anyone, it's a hotly contested issue around the guys I run with, guess i just assumed it would be here too. For over 70 years Sierra Bullets has been dedicated to the manufacture of the most accurate bullets in the world. Was pleasantly surprised by your reference to preferred barrels and to find out that you are also a local Utah sportsman as I grew up only 70 miles away from St. George and still live and hunt this area with my family. In certain situations we may suggest the use of ballistic turrets and for most scope models we can have custom turrets cut according to your load data. Current F-class are almost all .284 (another strangely missing cartridge in this articles comparison) which says something about what the disciplined shooters, regularly shooting out X-rings at 1000m, think. This system maximizes the distance in which no "hold over" is necessary. Haha your fan from Algeria. So youre telling me Springfield Armory is planning on making a 7 PRC Waypoint 2020 in 2023 ?!?!?! I just ordered a Chistensen Arms Long Range Mesa in 7mm PRC. In this post, well look in-depth into that question. RCC brass is the only place that has it, but the prices are wild at $6 per piece. When it gets mailed to you, you screw it on and you have a 7 PRC! Last, I shot Accurate Magpro powder with the same 175gr ELD-X and CCI large magnum primer out of a 24 test barrel. With that bullet, drop at 1000 would be measured in yards. This round is here to stay, and while the relative recoil or kick is often sighted as negative, it's often over stated, while it does kick the numbers show that the recoil on average is = or less than the average for the 30-06 but is of course more than the 270, and the 30-30. Again, BC and velocity is important. In other words what barrel length will produce a 3,000 fps muzzle velocity using the factory loaded Precision Hunter 175 gr ELD-X bullet? N NomadPilot Well-Known Member Joined In fact, it may be about the best choice on the market for my personal preference. Youre right. Here is the above load showing the trajectory out to 500 yards based on those optimum sight settings: At 500 yards this bullet is only 29.14 inches low! Practicing in these conditions can yeild valuable experience.I'm always learning about how to become a better shooter, and I still make mistakes. Well done mate , wont 7wsm do the same?? ballistics software below for the same load: At 500 yards the remaining velocity is 2264fps again, this is exceptional ballistics for a bullet weight in this class and diameter. is beginning to assert its trajectory superiority here with a 5-inch advantage over the .270 Win. It is a great investment if you want to get into long range shooting and will be especially useful if you handload. I personally worked up my load using the 150gr Hornady CX bullet, but now Hornady has announced a new 160gr CX bullet with a much higher BC and only one band instead of the two bands on the 150gr CX. First know Im a disabled hunter who is in my early 60s, I have a spinal issue from an accident and just had shoulder surgery, I cant walk far anymore. 1000 yard 7mm mag. Matt. The 284 as used by benchrest shooters at 1000-yard matches uses a 180-grain bullet in along action. Figure 1.
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